SIMON: Let's listen a little bit to the song "Heroes." And parts of that have led people to be confused about like, well, what is this? What do I do with this? What box do I put this in? And I make music for the people that get it. MACKLEMORE: I am someone that has never stuck to one sound. How do you balance and work with different genres? SIMON: A lot of stylistic variety on this album - '80s pop, old-school hip hop. MACKLEMORE: (Singing) Like it's 1984, like it's 1984. That electronic London vibe has been something that I've always been inspired by. MACKLEMORE: (Singing) I want to do this forever - you dancing in my arms. And what was happening in New York, what was happening in the underground scene, what was happening in in dance culture, what shifted culture to who we are today. But the idea of the past has always been one that's interesting to me. MACKLEMORE: You know, I have read "1984" multiple times to about the halfway point and then I pick it back up about seven years later. SIMON: Let's ask you about some of the songs - one of the first, "1984." Even to this day, "1984" - a lot of people think of Orwell. The rush, the high - the dance floor's open, waiting for us to collide.
MACKLEMORE: (Singing) Standing in line - standing in line - as we wait outside - waiting outside.
So "Ben" is a return to my origin story, which is making art for the sake of art, making music because I love the creation of it - not because of the music business, but because of music itself. MACKLEMORE: But if I'm really answering it and looking for some actual meaning here, each album is a process of self-discovery. MACKLEMORE: Well, for one, Scott, I'm horrible at naming albums, so I just went with my name. SIMON: Why title the album "Ben"? What are you declaring here?
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SIMON: Ben is your first name - your full name, Benjamin Haggerty.
It's called "Ben." Macklemore joins us now from New York City. This week, his third solo album comes out. He has since become one of the most successful contemporary musicians in the world - nearly 13 billion streams, four Grammys. SIMON: Macklemore, of course, became famed in 2013 with his catchy lyrics and unique take on hip hop. You don't get to hold on to your flowers. I'm done trying to impress anybody but the heavens where I'm headed. I'm from the underground - anything above ground is a mountain. MACKLEMORE: (Rapping) They can't take my talent. Macklemore is back five years after his last album and more determined than ever. MACKLEMORE: (Rapping) They told me that I vanished.
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